RubySoho
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Crazy Conservative Quote Of The Week!
August 28th 2008 03:31
Okay, after I did my first Crazy Conservative Quote Of The Week here, I felt a little guilty. After all, not all conservatives are crazy, I know that. Plus, I know that it's not only conservatives that are crazy. I've read some pretty out there things by lefties on the blogosphere too. Thus I decided that there would be no more crazy conservative quotes on Thought Zone as I felt I was perhaps being a little unfair.
But you know what? I take that back. I'm not going to tiptoe around groups who want to take away my rights as a woman. I won't play nice with people who demonise homosexuals. I won't respect those who think they have the right to force all of us to adhere to the tenets of their religion. And I'm sorry, but in my opinion no-one does crazy like conservatives do crazy.
So, here I am, three months later giving you my second installment of Crazy Conservative Quote Of The Week! This is just too good not to share. It's not a quote made by any one person, but obviously a group effort; a huge sign made out of bed sheets of all things:
No-one has come forward to publicly claim responsibility, though there are up to 50 pro-life groups in the Denver area protesting the Democratic National Convention (DNC- get it? Sooooooofunnny!). And to all of them I would just like to say: Hey, if it hasn't been born, then It's not a child.
And is it just me or has this American election become the Abortion Election?
Photo Source: bendegrow.com
-Ruby
But you know what? I take that back. I'm not going to tiptoe around groups who want to take away my rights as a woman. I won't play nice with people who demonise homosexuals. I won't respect those who think they have the right to force all of us to adhere to the tenets of their religion. And I'm sorry, but in my opinion no-one does crazy like conservatives do crazy.
So, here I am, three months later giving you my second installment of Crazy Conservative Quote Of The Week! This is just too good not to share. It's not a quote made by any one person, but obviously a group effort; a huge sign made out of bed sheets of all things:
No-one has come forward to publicly claim responsibility, though there are up to 50 pro-life groups in the Denver area protesting the Democratic National Convention (DNC- get it? Sooooooofunnny!). And to all of them I would just like to say: Hey, if it hasn't been born, then It's not a child.
And is it just me or has this American election become the Abortion Election?
Photo Source: bendegrow.com
-Ruby
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Comment by alt_ed
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Comment by Mountain Fog
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how odd and predictable for the Bible Belt personalities of the USA!
Actually, hate to be pedantic Ruby, but, your statement:
Hey, if it hasn't been born, then It's not a child.
This is incorrect.
I think " human life" in legal terms, begins after three months pregnancy, (it used to be this age) but ti is a difficult area, I just tried to check... Anyhoo, no abortion can be done unless it can be proved that, proceeding through pregnancy will be life threatening to the mother. No abortion after 20 weeks in most Oz States, 12 or 14 in others, beyond which one usually cannot abort, as the thalamus has developed, so it is considered the child is aware and it is the start of mental reasoning (again, I think...)
I remember, many moons ago now, a law suit, (the incident was a traffic accident), where the rights of the unborn were upheld, and the unborn (at the time of the accident) was allowed to sue for damages.
Anyhoo, what would the world be like without these cranks to laugh at and other colourful identities, very dull indeed.
cheers
fog
Comment by Stephen 7
Muse Politics
Interesting comments for a very interesting picture. Despite which side of the debate you're on, gotta appreciate the effort and creativity. Quite amusing I think.
Steve
Comment by postmoderncritic
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Good call with this installment.
Comment by D. Armenta
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Oh don't mind me--in a dark mood these days. Just be glad I'm exercising restraint upon expressing my sense of humor lately.
Comment by Mountain Fog
Infognito
the mother I belive filed on behalf of the foetus, a she was its legal guardian!! hehe!
I know, I can just see the baby foetus trying to write its name too.... whew... getting a little black humoured around here, but why not, this topic generally gets people hysterical on both sides.
Personally, I think it is between the woman and the doctor. But what of poor young kids who get raped? A British doctor was dragged before the courts for aborting a rapist's baby, the girl was 14!! That is terrible! No one should have to endure an unwanted pregnancy, let alone one from a rapist, especially at that age.
cheers
fog
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I love the Crazy Conservative Vote Ruby, keep it up.
Kylie
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Comment by Summer Minor
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Hmmm, did anyone take a look at what was really in the confetti? I mean, you never know.
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New drive-thru chain patronized by Democrats?
Comment by RubySoho
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Fog, as I understand it, even though abortion is illegal past the first trimester (in most cases), it does not actually mean that the fetus is then granted "personhood". And that's not what the makers of the sign were protesting anyhow. They are opposed to ALL abortion- including that in the first trimester. And a fetus at three weeks is most definitely not a child.
Jeanne, I'd like to give the pro-lifers credit for the ambiguous acronym. But I doubt they are that clever.
Comment by Summer Minor
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Besides, a D&C is rarely used for abortions anymore as new, less invasive methods have been created. Instead it's used for removing excess uterine lining, to clear out any retained placenta after birth, and to remove any tissue that may be causing bleeding. If they're trying to refer to a D&C they're pretty behind the times medically.
Comment by Jeanne Dininni
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Try Googling DNC. You'll find 265,000 results under "DNC procedure."
Comment by RubySoho
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Comment by Steven Barrett's OpEd Blog
Tsk, I am surprised that you don't think we have it in us -- to a better job, IF we actually did it.
Actually, we'd rather put our money into a likely winning pro-life candidate's race than buckets of white paint to counter PPF's buckets of blood.
Comment by RubySoho
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I've been meaning to ask you Steven, how is it that you call yourself a Democrat? When your position on this is so at odds with the Party's strong pro-choice stance.
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Bride 0002: When will abortion stop? Never. Whether it is legal or not. And that is why we want to keep it legal. Now I appreciate the melodrama, I really do but maybe you could consider that what is "destroying" America is perhaps the failed policies of your government and not the fact that sometimes women just don't want to give birth.
Comment by Jeanne Dininni
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Re: your reply to Bride 0002: No type of murder will ever stop. But that's no reason to legalize it.
Comment by RubySoho
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If it's not your uterus, then its not your business.
Comment by Jeanne Dininni
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One's rights to privacy and bodily autonomy are important ones, yet they only extend so far. When those rights affect no one but you, they may reasonably be taken further than when they affect someone other than you. In a civilized society, our freedom is not absolute; it contains a corresponding element of responsibility not to harm someone else while exercising our own freedom.
I find it incredibly ironic how deeply offended pro-choice advocates can be about the idea that abortion is murder, when the barbaric and inhumane methods used to end the lives of the weakest and most innocent among us are so much more deeply offensive.
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How come pro-lifers are behind unborn kids 100%, but as soon as they're born--
>poof!<
"You're on your own, kid!"
How about some time, effort and money going into adoption programs instead of violence and hate at abortion clinics?
Comment by Jeff Musall
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Comment by RubySoho
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Reminds me of that great bumper sticker:
May the fetus you save be gay.
Methinks, it's not the fetus the 'pro-lifers' care about. It's more about putting women in their place you know?
Comment by Jeff Musall
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Comment by Jeanne Dininni
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1. Lumping all pro-lifers together with the "crazies" who assassinate abortionists is just plain ridiculous. In fact, it's somewhat akin to calling all Muslims terrorists.
2. Pray tell, where did you ever get the notion that pro-lifers don't care about the fetuses once they've been born--or that they don't care about the women who experience crisis pregnancies? Most often it's the pro-lifers who adopt those unwanted children, and many even provide moral and/or financial support to the mother through her entire pregnancy and birth. Pro-lifers support many causes which help children, and it's always the pro-lifers who volunteer at crisis pregnancy centers and staff the hotlines that help the women they supposedly don't care about.
3. Whether fetuses have sensory awareness or not is somewhat of an academic argument, since no one can really be certain--though most experts are in agreement that fetuses can feel pain during at least the final trimester.
But, the belief that we can do whatever we want to the fetus during the early months of pregnancy is incredibly presumptuous--precisely because we can't be certain when pain perception begins. It rather reminds one of those who believe they have the right to starve/withhold hydration from someone who can't speak for him/herself because this person is in a "persistent vegetative state," supposedly doesn't know the difference, and has zero quality of life. How would they like to starve to death or die of thirst because someone else "chose" that for them?
4. Your bumper sticker is very clever. But, personally I like the tee shirt I once saw. It said, "Equal rights for unborn women."
Comment by D. Armenta
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1. My comment relates to the pro-lifers this post is about, not all pro-lifers. I can see how my question could be misconstrued, though, because I commented with the assumption that we were still discussing that particular group. My apologies for being unclear.
2. Abortion past the first trimester is illegal in most states in the U.S., unless the life of the mother is threatened. I'm not sure why you are bringing up the particular trimester that some speculate that the fetus can feel pain, since that is an unrelated stage according to current U.S. laws concerning abortion.
3. I can only speak empirically, but the course of my experience has taken me to abortion clinics from west coast U.S. to northern U.S. to east coast U.S.
One thing every clinic had in common was a crowd of pro-lifers hanging outside the doors verbally harassing the women who went inside, handing out horrendous propaganda, and carrying rude signs.
I've seen lots of films, flyers, billboards and publications
produced by pro-lifers. All that stuff costs money.
I don't see much point in spending money that could be better used to help children who are already here and need food and shelter, medicine and homes, on such hateful propaganda--hence my question. There are so many children in the world right now who need help--why spend money on this nastiness? Whose mind do these people expect to change?
I've no doubt that lots of those who are pro-life help out at children's shelters. I've also no doubt that lots of pro-choice individuals do the same.
I'm not going down the futile path of trying to debate the moral issues behind abortion, but one of your last statements really jumped out at me:
"How would they like to starve to death or die of thirst because someone else "chose" that for them?"
I think that statement says it all. I don't think anyone wants people who are not involved or aware of their own personal situation to "choose" anything for them when it comes to their health and welfare.
As long as we're bringing up bumper stickers, I think a classic from the 60s is appropriate here:
"If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem."
Comment by RubySoho
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Also, Jeanne, you are forgetting that it's not just about the fetus. What about the woman/ what about her choices?
If the "rights" of the fetus conflict with the rights of the woman, then sorry, I think the rights of a fully sentient human human win.
Plus when I said "nutty" I didn't mean that all pro-lifers bomb abortion clinics.
But I do think that anyone who thinks that a fertilized egg or a n 8 week old fetus has more rights than the woman who is carrying it is on the nutty side. Just a personal opinion.
"Crisis pregnancy centres"? Are they those places where confused pregnant women call up and are emotionally manipulated into continuing their pregnancy? So nice of you to make them feel so guilty.
And sorry but since the fetus resides within the body of the woman, then yes, I do think she can make whatever decision she chooses regarding its and her future. You can't even compare it to switiching off life support. It's her body. She is under no obligation to give up the rights to her body for the sake of another. Now you might think a woman is nothing but an incubator but I happen to think she is a human being who deserves the chance to live her one and only life in a matter she sees fit.
Comment by Jeff Musall
Secular Humanity
They pissed me off so much I did call them back a few months later and ask if they could recommend a place to get a late term abortion because we decided a baby was too much of a pain in the ass. I played it straight, too...should have heard the person on the phone...
Comment by Morgan Bell
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oh well said!
you have hit the nail on the head!
there are so many fully formed children living on the streets, or in poverty, or in situations of abuse or neglect, or literally starving to death in africa, or being born with AIDS or fetal drug and alcohol withdrawal symptoms, or without any hope or opportunities . . . why create more unwanted kids? why not help the ones already out there? (if the mother chooses not to proceed)
as far as the role of society in a childs development, it really only becomes a matter of community interest after birth, and unfortunately thats exactly when many people turn their backs
Comment by RubySoho
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Simple. because its not really about the kids. it's about controlling women. And punishing them for having the audacity to use their bodies for pleasure. You want to have sex? Well then, we will force you to have this baby.
Why else would so many in the pro-life movement- including Sarah Palin- oppose both birth control and abortion?
Pro-lifers are well aware of the fact that criminalising abortion won't eradicate it. I have blogged numerous times about the prevalence of abortion in countries where it is illegal. Yet, they still seem intent on criminalising it in America, and incredibly in Australia these days too. The only thing this will achieve will be to drive it underground which will place women at risk.
But that's okay. Who cares about the woman?
The pro-life movement is gearing up for an assault on the rights of women in Victoria and have publicly stated that their aim is to shift the focus from the rights of the woman to the rights of the fetus.
Don't that just sum it up? Forget the woman. She doesn't matter. It's all about the fetus.
Comment by alt_ed
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Just look what the pro-lifer's get up to post birth... Your text goes here
Comment by Anonymous
"if its not born its not a child" OPINION. NOT FACT.
Granted your entiteld to your opinion, but its not a crazy quote just becasue you disagree!
if this is the worst you can find then go Mccain!
Comment by RubySoho
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And I don't think it's a crazy quote because i disagree, i think i t is a crazy quote because it showcases how narrow minded the people who made it are. That they can sum up the entire DNC convention in just one issue.
And if that's the best your lot can come up with, then it's no wonder Obama is currently kicking McCain's backside.
Say hello to your first black President.
Comment by Anonymous
I hope we dont end up with the Black president that is for abortion but yes it looks likely.
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Comment by RubySoho
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Furthermore, it is you who missed my point, which is don't these people have anything more important to protest about then what some women do with the contents of their uterus? Not to mention the fact that the Democrats support women who already want to get abortions. And those women will most likely get those abortions even without their support. It's not as if the Dems are going around forcing women to terminate their pregnancies. So no, the DNC does not "destroy unborn children". It merely advocates for the rights of women to have control over their own bodies. Surprise, surprise, women do have minds of their own and are capable of making their own decisions.
Haha Jeff, oh I can see it from over here. What an amazing turnaround. How desperate are McCain and Palin becoming now? Scraping the bottom of the barrel in insults and patronisation and it is STILL not working.