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Great Moments In Patriotic Arrogance

July 11th 2008 05:15
UPDATE July 15: This post was previously titled 'Great Moments In American Arrogance'. Out of respect for my American friends who felt that I was generalising and thus condemning all Americans, I have changed the title. However, I would like to stress that it was not my intention to suggest that all Americans are arrogant. The original title and the post were simply intended as a jibe against overly patriotic and aggressive behaviour. Why pick on Americans? Well to paraphrase Dennis Leary, "Because you got the bombs okay?"


I first came across this image on the Shakesville blog. It so simultaneously repulsed and fascinated me, I was compelled to explore more at the website from whence it came. All images and italics are from the website at coxandforkum:




"In an effort to raise consciousness throughout the world and, at the same time, make money drawing funny pictures, Cox & Forkum is proud to introduce new t-shirts designs. Pictured above is the "Bring 'Em On, Allah" t-shirt...America's enemy, the enemy of modern civilization everywhere, is militant Islam. If our government isn't willing to say that, we figured we might as well let Uncle Sam".




Okay everyone, please tell me I am not alone when I say that that image is creepier than a middle aged man on the slippery dip at McDonald's PlayLand. Raise my consciousness? How about beat me over the head with your ignorance"

Can I just ask why? Why do some Americans feel the need to thrust their military might in the face of the entire world at every given opportunity? Why? And if America is so big and strong and buff and "Islamists" are so puny, then why do these same people keep telling us that Islam is going to take over the world? That little twerp that Uncle Sam holds in his fightin' fist? My two year old niece could take him.

But that's not the worst of it. Oh no, I have more treats in store for you. How about these apples?:




Earlier this week, InstaPundit noted that International A.N.S.W.E.R. has organized yet another "anti-war" protest for this weekend. This is the same group that in late-September 2001 protested against going to war in Afghanistan -- while the ruins of the World Trade Center still smoldered.

The protests will most likely get plenty of media coverage, so it's important to keep in mind the following: Contrary to what they proclaim, most of the protesters are not against war. They are against America waging a war of self-defense. They are against Israel waging a war of self-defense. They are against free nations waging a war against the sworn enemies of freedom. But they are not against the war that is being waged on America by militant Islamic fundamentalists.

You will not see signs that say "DOWN WITH IRANIAN THEOCRACY" or "STOP THE PALESTINIAN SLAUGHTER OF JEWISH CHILDREN ON BUSES" or "DICTATORS LIE, MILLIONS DIE." What you will see is the vilification of America for civilian deaths in Iraq and Afghanistan and a total evasion of the fact that those deaths are the fault of the fascists who initiated or threatened to initiate force against us (not to mention the violence they visited directly upon their own people).

Though the Islamists and the "anti-war" protesters may have their differences, they are united by one thing: a common hatred of America



Oh no. They have the inverted commas out! That must mean they are being ironic. Oh how clever. Oh I get it. It's that with-us-or-against-us thing again. If you don't wish to see the innocent civilians of another sovereign nation die at the hands of your own government and military, that makes you a terrorist sympathiser and hater of all things America. right, got it. And never mind that Iraq had absolutely nothing to do with the attacks at the World Trade Centre, no never mind that at all, let's not let anything as innocuous as the truth get in the way of a good cartoon right? I have to say, the burqa-clad woman on a leash is a nice touch. Apparently if you are an anti-war protestor, you hate women.

And now, third time is truly a treat. My absolute favourite:






What? Huh? Oh....Aaargh...Unfortunately this one didn't have a caption to explain all its various intricacies to simple minded people such as myself but nonetheless, I shall have a go at deciphering its many layers. Okay here goes... I think that what they are getting at here is, "do whatever the hell America tells you to do otherwise we will lie and cheat our way into a war that will decimate your country, even if you are not in any way, shape or form a threat to our safety and sovereignty".

Oh how my brain hurts. I swear these cartoons would be funny if they weren't so damn scary.


And just one more thing America. It's not your freedom. They don't hate you for your freedom.




-Ruby

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Comment by alt_ed

July 11th 2008 05:39

Comment by Morgan Bell

July 11th 2008 05:50
the anti-war protestor reminds me a bit of Bob Brown at the Franklin

Comment by Louie

July 11th 2008 05:57
ya, i guess some jokes just aren't funny.... the last one is a bit funny, like I would have laughed at the Irony had I seen it in the right context....bad bad Louie.....



Happy Friday Ruby

Comment by RubySoho

July 11th 2008 06:56
Yeah, it's like that huh alt_ed?

Louie, yeah, if the cartoon had been intentionally ironic, I would probably find it funny. Hope you feel better over the weekend.

Hey Morgan, those damn hateful protestors. Always smiling, whether they are saving a river or killing American soldiers.
Oh and D. has her latest installment of the Legends of Orble up on Debate Fan. it's already attracting some good comments, especially the first one, very insightful, you should have a read.

Comment by Morgan Bell

July 11th 2008 07:08
hahaha insightful!
maybe you should ban yourself from your own blog, or get Winston to do it . . . much of a muchness really!

Comment by Anonymous

July 11th 2008 17:02
The joke of humanity is that we are all so very wrong and all so very right.

Peace and War are truly the same thing. Each expressing the same functionality and draw.

Essentially - they beget each other.

War forces peace.

Peace awaits War.

Regardless of which imaginary state, government or empire is currently doing the dance.

Perhaps I've stepped too far from the gravity of the subject matter at hand. Yet I feel like an absolute vantage point is worth noting. For it is more fact than any other.

Comment by tlcorbin

July 11th 2008 17:34
Hahahaha, these are so funny, great collection Ruby, thanks for sharing them.

Even funnier is your remark:

"do whatever the hell America tells you to do otherwise we will lie and cheat our way into a war that will decimate your country, even if you are not in any way, shape or form a threat to our safety and sovereignty".

. . . such an original puppet, so full of self ~ quoting all of the popular flotsam and still have yet to recognize that puppets aren't sharing their own words.

Later Bunnie girl, again, thanks for the chuckle.

Comment by Jeff Musall

July 11th 2008 23:31
While there has always been wartime propaganda on all sides, what is troubling about what we see now are the portrayals of dissenters as enemies and the Iraq charade as a part of some larger, greater cause. But I suppose cartoons saying "fight for control of the Middle East in order to enrich corporate masters" doesn't amuse the average Bush supporter.

Comment by RubySoho

July 12th 2008 02:24
Ah Raven, my old friend, nice to see your witticism on these pages again. I am a little concerned though, does your keeper know you still frequent this website, has he approved its contents for your delicate eyes?


Jeff, you have nailed it. I also wanted to draw attention to the lack of self awareness the far right has when it comes to patriotism. I just don't understand why patriotism has to mean rejoicing when your country kicks someone else's arse.

Comment by tlcorbin

July 12th 2008 03:01
Take a deep breath Ruby and try to relax your urge to speak.

The coxandforkum website is very interesting and I came away with a different slant on their satire than what you might imagine.

I just don't understand why patriotism has to mean rejoicing when your country kicks someone else's arse.

You'd be dancing in the street if Israel were wiped off of the map.

Comment by Jeff Musall

July 12th 2008 03:51
Alot of the patriotism in America today revolves around hero-cult worship, fervent and overblown nationalism and sense of superiority, and bellicose jingoism. It doesn't serve any purpose other than to distract from real while giving license to warmongers.

Comment by tlcorbin

July 12th 2008 05:07
Wow, a community of pontificating Ircenrraat, up from the depth's of the bourgeois underground to regale your long suffering peers with pretentious snippets of Marxist intellectualism.

Comment by RubySoho

July 12th 2008 05:07
Raven, you crack me up. What does Israel have to do with this? Other than serve as a means by which you try to drag me down to your illogical level?

Also, it's not satire. Ever been to Little Green Footballs?

Comment by Cibbuano

July 12th 2008 11:47

Comment by Kleonaptra

July 12th 2008 12:55
Kman and I must be evil. We laughed our asses off. Especially the last one. I get your point, I do,

If you don't wish to see the innocent civilians of another sovereign nation die at the hands of your own government and military, that makes you a terrorist sympathiser and hater of all things America.

Thats valid, and I get it but....

It aint a perfect world.

Comment by RubySoho

July 12th 2008 14:53
Dunno Cibb and don't care enough to look it up.

Hiya Kleo, yeah as i said to Louie, had it been satire, it would have been hilarious.

Comment by tlcorbin

July 12th 2008 22:00
Your photos are funny, but then so are these; interpret these.











and I just know that this will heal relations between nations . . .


Comment by RubySoho

July 12th 2008 22:17
Raven, either contribute something of value or rack off.

Comment by tlcorbin

July 12th 2008 23:07
Who is to determine what is valuable and what isn't?

You? Sure, your neutrality is as obvious as your gender.

So, now you want to involve yourself with censorship?

Comment by RubySoho

July 13th 2008 00:42
Oh for crying out loud. Have I censored anything? Have I deleted your comments?

This was a tongue in cheek post about nationalistic patriotism. Something I do not feel and find hard to understand. I don't know what you think you are achieving with those images but they have nothing to do with the original post.

I am happy to discuss the images with you if you so desire but it's obvious that all you wish to do is come on here and insult me and everyone else who happens to be reading.

You are being an incredible bore. Grow up.

Comment by Janet Collins

July 13th 2008 00:53
Oh dear! I guess they got your attention though as they did mine.

Janet

Comment by tlcorbin

July 13th 2008 02:45


This isn't amusing?




What about this?

Your idea of satire is superior?

Comment by RubySoho

July 13th 2008 03:09
You're insane.

Comment by Jeff Musall

July 13th 2008 03:52
Damn, tlcorbin, or Raven - Ruby makes a post about the senselessness of hyper-patriotism and uber-nationalism and you come along and essentially say - oh yea, well I'll see your senseless hyper-nationalism and I'll up you some Christo-fascist propaganda! Funny thing about neo-cons.....they prove our points for us!

Comment by Morgan Bell

July 13th 2008 04:51
hey Raven,
are Ircenrraat like little Alaskan leprechauns? i read that they were a superstition believed by many Alaskans, people isolated in the snow tell stories of being abducted or tricked by this group of little men? is that basically the story?
did you get your images from the same site as Ruby or are these all from your private collection? haha

Comment by Kleonaptra

July 13th 2008 05:08
Why are athiests always portrayed with baby eating? Does disbelief in God equal eating children now?

I am very, very confused now. I have no fucking clue whats going on. If anyones trying to make a point here, and I do mean anyone, its been blunted. Work your shit out, please.

Comment by RubySoho

July 13th 2008 05:23
Hi Kleo, I can't speak for anyone else but the point I was trying to make was simply to showcase what it is about blind patriotism I find so unappealing. There was no intended reference to God, atheism, Marxism or Incernrraat on my part.

Really, all I wanted to do was to perhaps suggest another answer to that question many Americans tend to ask. ie why do they hate us?

Comment by tlcorbin

July 13th 2008 05:36
Ruby, I am indeed sane and have papers to prove that fact, and you?

Comment by RubySoho

July 13th 2008 05:41
Well since you asked I escaped from the asylum about 6 months ago. My name is not really Ruby, I'm not really a Muslim come Christian come atheist. I just pretend to be so I can sit back in all my insanity and enjoy pushing misogynistic, hyper-patriotic Christians such as yourself to the brink.

That's how I get my kicks.

Comment by tlcorbin

July 13th 2008 05:49
Jeff, I use hyperbole to eviscerate her, "Great moments in American arrogance," blog.

Perhaps my "Great moments in Arabian arrogance," or "Semitic Arabs and Their Inane Arrogance," blogs should be received with equal enthusiasm.

I would grinned at the humor in the blog if it wasn't prefaced with an insult in the title.

Comment by tlcorbin

July 13th 2008 06:03
Morgan, the Ircenrraat are indeed the little people of the tundra and your take on them is correct. Basically, they are our version of gnomes and mean spirited. You can ascertain for yourself why I chose to use the word.

Of course I went to the site that she referenced, didn't you? Perhaps you should.

Comment by tlcorbin

July 13th 2008 06:08
Kleo, we're learning about satire. What it is and isn't.

Satire: witty language used to convey insults or scorn
• Caustic remark - same
• Sarcasm - same
• Trope – language used in a figurative or nonliteral sense
• Irony – same –with 1 and 2 added
1. incongruity – quality of disagreeing; being unsuitable and inappropriate
2. trope - language used in a figurative or nonliteral sense


Satire : Websters
• an offering of mixed ingredients,
• literary work holding up human vices and follies to ridicule or scorn
• trenchant wit, irony or sarcasm used to expose and discredit vice or folly


Comment by Kleonaptra

July 13th 2008 06:10
I think humans love to hate, and the biggest problem is that they try and deny it.

Since we are now on the subject, I dont have papers proving Im sane. I walked out on the doctors who were treating me, and my file is still marked "dangerous to herself and others"

That is not a joke or a satire of any kind. It is a fact.


Comment by tlcorbin

July 13th 2008 06:21
Ruby, I can't believe that your title wasn't considered and deliberate. It's an insult, it was intended as an insult and remains insulting.

Why do Islamofascists hate Arabs so much?







and culminates with this.



The offal presented by you in the name of satire was as offensive to me as what I hope this is to you.

Comment by Morgan Bell

July 13th 2008 06:32
Raven,
yes i looked at the site Cox & Forkum
isnt Ruby saying that the site pretends that those images are in the interests of satire when really they are just perpetuating misinformation and hatred?
much like the images you posted yourself

Comment by RubySoho

July 13th 2008 06:35
Well there goes my last good nerve.

You want to do a post on extremist Muslim violence? Go right ahead. But that is not what this post is about. This post is about the arrogant attitude that many Americans carry that has seen their standing in the rest of the world plummet in recent years.

And you are doing a fine job of demonstrating it here for us all.

And no, I don't find that offensive. A bit desperate on your part perhaps, but why would they offend me?

Comment by Kleonaptra

July 13th 2008 08:42
Just for the record, Im still confused.

So....What we have learned here is that extremisim of any kind is a big no no? Theres a top article in Readers Digest 1995 that talks about how the muslim extremists are even the muslims worst enemy.

At the end of the day, I have absolutely no right to talk on the subjects at hand. I am not nearly educated enough to make any judgements of any kind and I dont judge individuals at all - unless Im skip tracing - and, at the end of the day, Im a person of extremes myself.

*Curtsey*

Comment by Jeff Musall

July 13th 2008 16:00
If I could offer one more thing - The first line of defense for those who take hyper-patriotic positions is almost always to say "well, they are worst." They usually meaning Islamic extremists. They parade out example after example, most usually seen before. Of course, they are just deflecting critcisms of their own positions. It's kind of like criminals trying to justify what they did - "all I did was robbery and assault, that guy killed someone!"
Point is, all hyper-nationalism is dangerous, especially when coupled with religious extremism. When bellicose idiocy comes from the U.S,, it's worse. Why?
Because the world (used to) have higher expectations for us. Because America (used to) be a place where human rights were held in high esteem. Because America (used to) be more associated as an example of what others could aspire to, not what others need fear.
And also because America has the big guns. There are many nieghbourhood bullies in the world. America, more and more, is being a world bully.
Now, we have a horrible world image. We have a president the very esteemed International Red Cross has deemed a war criminal. We are digging our ourselves deeper into an energy hole while alot of the rest of the industrialized world is moving rapidly to alternatives.
Not only is America going in the wrong direction on pretty much all fronts, it's doing it as fast as it can. Time to turn around.

Comment by Winston

July 14th 2008 14:01
Yup. Staying out of this one.

Comment by tlcorbin

July 15th 2008 00:40
Morgan ~ dealing specifically with the images, you are correct.

My issue: inflammatory title, proffering the tired old inflammatory rhetoric over and over again, ad nauseam. How many ways can an individual agenda and contempt be mulled over before it grows old and tiresome. I get it, she's contemptuous and hateful: she hates nay sayers, she is contemptuous of any opinion other than her own, she is contemptuous of any life experience that doesn’t align with hers, she hates religion, she hates Islam, she hates Catholicism, she hates organized religion, she hates spiritualism, she hates being a woman, she hates being perceived as a second class person . . . , you want the full list or will this suffice? I hear the complaints, but just where are her offerings to correct the problem ~ is there anything positive that she can contribute.

Ruby ~ The steady drum beat of your tired victimization song has been irritating.

Lets examine arrogant attitudes: yours, you’re one of many bleating victims of Arab descent, who cannot examine middle eastern conditions or politics without wanting to blame America or Israel for all of your collective problems. They kill you, you cry victimization ~ you kill them and it’s justified because of your victimization. Boohoo. I know the drill, where’s a solution? FYI, Arab intellectuals (the educated class) are happy to throw their uneducated under the bus in the name of jihad rather than to help them better themselves. Why, educated people don’t make good victims on the world stage.

I find some of those images derogatory and offensive. But I am must be an insensitive oaf.

Jeff ~ Let me remind you of a few things.

There are Islamic extremists! There are patriotic Americans who are hyper sensitive about terrorist actions that result in lost lives and property; I am one of them. Harm my family, friends or property and I will likely hunt you down and return the favor. That does not make me a bully, reactionary yes, bully no. Those who are familiar with me understand that I am very well armed and willing to die for what I believe in; on a larger scale, that is the posture of the USA and should suggest that fighting with us may not be a practical thing to do. Remember this little historical side note; Japan, Germany, Korea and other countries damaged by conflict that involved the US have been propped back up by us as well, including the Middle East. Losing a war to the USA in some instances was very good business.

Muslim terrorists are fanatical Islamic extremists (Islam seems to be a religion, remember?) with little or no regard for life, they will and do kill their own, they will and do kill others (Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Burma, Thailand, Africa, Spain, USA, Lebanon, and the list is to long to display here). Now, in many of the countries where they are doing the killing, there isn’t any American presence.

The International Red Cross is not a neutral organization, they have an agenda

And what the hell has our sustainable energy problem got to do with anything? Image ~ here my image of you: godless, spineless, unpatriotic, pseudo intellectual piss ant, who really should STFU, the glare from your ignorance has blinded you. Is that an accurate description? Probably not and it is subjective. That’s what image is.

Time for you to take your blinders off.


Comment by alt_ed

July 15th 2008 01:12
Wow, thanks for that Raven, I ha no idea Ruby was such a spiteful Bitch...

Gosh, here I am, living comfortably under my rock, and all the while thinking you were the real C*%# on Orble...

Thanks once again Raven, for proving me wrong, and showing me the right, I mean the 'Light'

Peace be with you, Hail Mary etc. etc.

Comment by D. Armenta

July 15th 2008 01:32
Oh fer chrissakes, everyone KNOCK IT OFF already!

Ruby--sweeping generalizations, whether they are made about Women, Men, Muslims, Christians, Jews, Atheists or Americans--are all equally stupid.

You know that. Now why you gotta break balls? You're a well-educated lady. You just trying to bait people like Raven here?

Raven--comeon, man. Don't rise to this..you know different.

Kleo--
I think humans love to hate, and the biggest problem is that they try and deny it.

Since we are now on the subject, I dont have papers proving Im sane. I walked out on the doctors who were treating me, and my file is still marked "dangerous to herself and others"

That is not a joke or a satire of any kind. It is a fact.

Most intelligent remark here. Score one for us nutcases, 'cause I feel the same way. People are all human beings. Some are assholes, and some aren't. That's the only basic difference I can see.

Comment by RubySoho

July 15th 2008 01:52
What sweeping generalisations D? Was I saying ALL Americans feel this way?

No.


I was discussing some specific cartoons which add to the ill feeling that many non-Americans feel for America. Namely, we are getting sick of America's aggressive foreign policy and bullying. We don't need some of you to thrust your military might in our faces at every given opportunity okay? We are well aware of the fact that America can decimate each and every one of us many times over.

D. I can't believe that having read my post and then the comments that you are choosing to blame me for Raven's ridiculous over-reaction and inappropriate responses.

This is not the first time Raven has done that here, and I am sorry if my opinions piss some people off but thems the breaks okay? We all share this world and we are all entitled to our opinions. Just as the creators of those cartoons are entitled to make them, so am I entitled to criticise them. That is the nature of freedom of speech.

I am really getting sick of people accussing me of baiting and generalising and all manner of things when usually what I write is a hell of a lot less offensive then most of the stuff here on Orble.

Fuck. Just fucking fuck.

Comment by RubySoho

July 15th 2008 02:17
she hates being a woman,

I just saw this.

Could you be more arrogant and misogynistic please? Actually yes, you could. I've seen it.

I never have and never will hate being a woman.

And of course, because I happen to have been born in a certain part of the world it renders all my opinions null and void right?

And what pray tell, does this post have to do with anything you have accused me of in that god-awful last comment of yours?

How can anyone not see that it is not this post nor its title that Raven has a problem with but that his problem lies with me?


Comment by D. Armenta

July 15th 2008 02:55
Ruby, I respect you as an educated and passionate woman but I'm going to have to disagree with you here. The title of this post is incendiary and a sweeping generalization; that's just the way it washes out. "Great Moments in American Arrogance". Come on now. Think about it.

I'm considering the source here-like I always do--and I do not believe that you intentionally set out to insult all Americans. But statements like this:

And just one more thing America. It's not your freedom. They don't hate you for your freedom.

-well, people who don't stop and consider who you are and what you're trying to say are going to take offense. You know, as many friends as I have here, I don't think a post titled "The incredible stupidity of Australians" by me would be received very kindly.

See what I'm saying?

Comment by RubySoho

July 15th 2008 03:19
Yes, I see what you are saying D. However, there is one crucial difference. America's standing as the world's only superpower has led it to do some unconscionable things. And to not give a damn what the rest of the world thinks about it. Remember Bush's reception at the UN not long after the Iraq invasion?

Fair enough for you to disagree with me and I can see why you take issue with the title, however the stupidity of Australians, whether real or hypothetical does not have such far reaching and devastating consequences. So that's a really bad analogy.

Those cartoons are extremely arrogant. They are American. America has a reputation for being an aggressive bully (the nation, not the individual people). Hence the title. I'm sorry you read it the wrong way.



Comment by RubySoho

July 15th 2008 04:28
Okay D, out of respect for your views, I have changed the title to make it less inflammatory against all Americans.

I am keeping this line however:

And just one more thing America. It's not your freedom. They don't hate you for your freedom.

as I think it is relevant. The fact is, it is America's aggressive foreign policy that angers many people. And those images support and glorify that policy. And I do think that most people who read that line would understand that.


Cheers and thanks for talking instead of yelling at me.

ruby

Comment by Anonymous

July 15th 2008 05:19
D. The comment about not hating us for our freedoms is very relevant, and important. Because our president has used that phrase as a propaganda piece. And Ruby's right - it's not our freedoms. And the arrogance - and yes, stupidity- displayed by our leadership is inferred upon the rest of us. It might not be fair, but there it is.
Terrorism did not arise from a vacuum. They do not hate us because of our freedoms. They hate us because we live a relatively rich life while the majority of them are in poverty, but our lifestyle is fed by their oil. And our government props up their governments who impoverish them. They hate us because of the way our leaders view the rest of the world as a commodity - to be bought, sold, or traded -whatever makes money. They hate us because we seem to never find fault with Israel, even after things like Sabra and Shatila. The view the world has of America from those on the ground is very often of wealth and arrogance. The people of the Middle East know that we would be as interested in bring them "democracy" as we are to troubled countries in Africa, were it not for oil. To deny that is to be dangerously unaware.
And they hate us for the way many of us are. I've seen people like Raven in other countries - they are so easy to spot. And they leave a trail of arrogance and idiocy that lingers. When you meet people you must first, at least at some level, overcome the conception that you will be like that too. Of course there are arrogant people from other countries, including Australia. It's the numbers and the sheer brazen "out there" nature of American arrogance that sets us apart.

Comment by Jeff Musall

July 15th 2008 05:23
Oops...don't want my words o' wisdom to go unclaimed....the above anon is my comment.

Comment by RubySoho

July 15th 2008 05:36
Thanks Jeff....but bit of a bummer, I thought I had a new fan there for a minute haha.


As a side note I have reinstated the original title as the URL only, because it is messing about with some links that other people have posted to this article.

cheers everyone.

Comment by Morgan Bell

July 15th 2008 05:48
Raven,
i think you use the word "hate" too easily, to hate and to criticise are two very different things
ive seen you criticise some of the exact some topics as Ruby and i wouldnt decribe you as hating them either: "Christians Guidelines To Rape" on Is Why
we all have to call our posts something, and usually we opt for something short and catchy that will create interest
i didnt find any hate in the body of this article


Ruby,
perhaps "Great Moments in the Arrogance of Patriotic American Cartoonists" would have been a more appropriate title? but in the end i think people should read more than just the title when commenting, the title is just the hook of the article and we should all know not to judge a book entirely by its cover


hi D,
as an Australian, if you posted an article with the title of "The Incredible Stupidity of Australians" and the contents related to something stupid an Australian was doing - like racist comments from Pauline Hanson, or our government allowing the logging of old growth forrests, or how our defence force always buys second-hand submarines that dont work properly - then i would judge your article on its merits and most likely agree

Comment by D. Armenta

July 15th 2008 23:07
Hahaha, Morgan--spoken by someone who has a true sense of humor.

The difference is, Ruby, Morgan, Jeff--that I don't generalize. If I made such a post, I would title it "The Incredible Stupidity of Pauline Hanson", or "The Incredible Stupidity of (insert name here) in the Australian Government", because I have many lovely Australian friends who are extremely intelligent and don't belong in the stupid category.

See the difference? I try to name the specific culprit (s) and don't lump everyone else in with them. Also, guys, I've seen posts/comments from all three of you protesting the tendency of some ignoramii to assume that all Muslims are terrorists. Now, by posting this piece with the title it has and the statements it makes to "America", are you not pretty much doing the same thing, albeit unintentionally?

If I read something addressed to "America", I'm going to read it as including me; I am, after all, American.

If you go back in these comments I think you'll see that this is exactly what Raven was pointing out as well, with his comparative posts of Christians bashing Islam, Atheists eating babies, etc...in a harsher way, but that's Raven..get his dander up and he'll come back blazing.

All I'm saying is--Americans are all individuals, same as Muslims, women, Atheists, Australians, veterans, etc. etc. Please don't lump me in with G.W. Bush's antics, especially since I write letters to Congress and get up petitions to try and stop some of our gov