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I've Been Serenaded!

April 21st 2008 00:26
(by RubySoho)
I was cruising around Orble a couple of days ago and came across a site I had never seen before. It's called RealCrash.com and it's moderated by a guy who goes by the name of Howard. Howard has interesting style whereby he comments on world politics in the form of a spoof of a famous song. So, for example here Really Long Link he turns The Beatles They Say It's Your Birthday into It Aint Nothing But An Obama Party.

So I'm curious and I read on and Howard starts rambling about Obama's connection to the 'London Crowd' and my curiosity was piqued. I left a comment asking just who this London Crowd was, as it smacked off a conspiracy theory and this was one I'd never heard of. Howard gave a long-winded and rather paranoid answer involving the city of London financial centre, the Cayman Islands and the WTO. He finished off by reccommending I read up on LaRouche and that's when the penny dropped.

Now I know I've been known to argue with right wing nutters on Orble before, okay, one right wing nutter in particular, but there are some places even I won't go so I bid Howard luck and went on my merry way.

A short time later I saw a post on Orble's home page with this title: Goodbye Ruby Tuesday. Sure enough it was Howard spoofing the Rolling Stones in order to tell me what he thinks of me bailing when he mentioned the "L" word. I was quite flattered by it so I will reprint it thus:

"She could never believe in conspiracy;
Magic of the market and democracy;
Said it was by chance;
That the British Bankers got the first dance;
In Dark Romance;;
Goodbye Ruby Soho;
What's your game I don't quite know;
When you finally learn philosophy;
Maybe you'll have something to show;"

Yes this is a response to Ruby Soho, who can't quite handle the fact that there are people out there who actually "do" politics like Lyndon LaRouche, and larouchepac. And then the evil conspirators actually call you dirty names and slander you and do much worse. Isn't that amazing, you mean this is not just a word game?

These attacks on Obama of mine, and qualified defense of Hillary Clinton are actually based on reality. Wow, how weird!!



So I laughed and was ready to brush it off until I get to the comments. Sure enough the right wing nutter, never one to miss an opportunity to insult someone had this to say:

Having dealt with Ruby more than once, Howard, I can tell you what I think, for what it's worth. She doesn't to seem to find reality in anything, only semantics. If the "sound" of something pleases or displeases her, that's all that matters to her. She seems unable to see beyond her own feelings and impressions. She can be quite determined in her defense of untenable positions, so be glad she simply left and didn't launch a verbal assault on you.

I had just come back from a rowdy dinner of awesome pizza (at Porcino in Collingwood), and was feeling the warm and dizzying effects of a bottle of red wine swirling through my veins, so of course I took the bait and blasted her right back:

for someone who thinks Fox "news" is fair and balanced, you sure are up yourself. Come back down to earth and you will see that as the proverbial small town USA stereotype, you are the laughing stock of the entire Western world. Get a grip woman. Do you actually have an opinion that has not been spoon-fed to you by Bill O'Reilly or Sean Hannity?


Okay, so I'll admit not the most intelligent rebuttal I've ever given to a personal attack, but I was more than a little inebriated. This was her smug response:

How nice of you to prove me right again, Ruby.
Howard, she's all yours... lucky you...


Can I ask how a person who throws around insults on Orble like rice at a wedding, can possibly have the nerve to get all indignant and self-righteous when someone picks up a few grains of that rice and throws it right back at them?


But more importantly, what do you think of my serenade?

And is the right wing nutter, right? Am I deluded? Do I base my arguments on emotion? Can I not see past my own impressions? Are my positions untenable?

Or is she just projecting her own inadequacies onto me?

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Comment by Cibbuano

April 21st 2008 01:01
I think the easiest way to maintain your sanity when blogging is just ignore other bloggers that you don't get along with.


Comment by Louie

April 21st 2008 04:07
best thing to do is, don't bite, some bloggers thrive on it. Reactions are there oxygen, or if they have a go, say something really nice and complimentary back, they can't handle it. and Cib is the pro and spot on.

cheers

Louie

Comment by Morgan Bell

April 21st 2008 04:30
yeah some people on orble get ridiculously nasty for no real reason, roaming around (sometimes following you) posting personal attacks in comments willy nilly . . . i dont think its that outrageous to ask somebody to provide a link or reference or explain their position when they choose to post controversial personal opinion as fact

im not even sure what this whole larouche theory really is, is it a select group of people supposedly controlling the economies or the world?

larouche followers seem to object to a conservative government because they are puppets in the economic conspiracy but are generally pro-life, anti-semitic and homophobic? and they object to al gore and barrack obama?

it seems a little all over the place . . .

if anyone wants to clarify i would be interested to read an explanation

funny how you can be attacked for persisting with an argument, but then mocked for cutting an argument short, it really is a lose/lose situation! haha

i dont think your positions are untenable . . . i have agreed with your ideas on more than one occassion and found you are more than willing to compromise when provided with a reliable source of information

Comment by RubySoho

April 21st 2008 06:34
Thanks Cib and Louie, I know you guys are right. That's why I originally told Howard I wasn't interested in discussing his conspiracy theories or the politics of LaRouche. I actually thought his little ditty about me was quite funny. The comment that attacked me, not so much.


Comment by RubySoho

April 21st 2008 06:37
Morgan, you are so right. When I argue I get scolded, when I bow out gracefully, I get berated. *sigh*.

I've spoken to a few young LaRouche devotees and they are very gung-ho to say the least. In Australia the political party goes by the name Citizen's Electoral Council. Some of their policies are quite admirable- open immigration, no GST, increase in health care funding, repealing anti-union legislation.

But then we have policies like this:

ARTS POLICY STATEMENT

The Citizens Electoral Council (CEC) supports government arts funding for artists as well as the general population, as a crucial approach to inspiring our citizens and banishing pessimism with cultural optimism. The most beautiful of all works of art is the construction of true political freedom.

The CEC and our international affiliates in LaRouche's Schiller Institute have a strong commitment to nurturing this political freedom through a new Golden Renaissance, based upon the classical tradition in art and philosophy, where the creative powers of each individual are fostered, to the benefit of both the individual, and of the entire society. As such, we will work to promote classical music, visual arts and great classical theatrical productions to counter the anti-human, bestial policies represented by the rock-drug-sex counterculture, which took off in the 1960s. It is imperative that such works of art and culture be accessible for all Australians, and not just the wealthy and the elite.

In July 2004, the CEC released a pamphlet, Children of Satan III—The Sexual Congress For Cultural Fascism. This pamphlet exposed the Congress for Cultural Freedom (CCF)—a CIA-funded cultural warfare unit sponsoring hideous modernist and postmodernist "art" against the Classical tradition in art. This irrational garbage called "art" is used as a way of undermining the population's ability to think. One notorious example of this cultural warfare was the Australian Association for Cultural Freedom's support for the psychotic "Blue Poles" painting in the National Gallery of Australia by Jackson Pollock, a stalwart of the CCF.

A classical education must start at Pre-School level and henceforth be encouraged and funded throughout all schooling levels, universities and government media—radio and television alike. The CEC will adequately fund classical orchestras, actors, painters, sculptors and indeed all artists embracing the classical tradition.

Over time, this education will generate a culture of beauty, allowing us to understand the true nature of mankind—that we are creative beings inspired by ideas—not animals obsessed by instantaneous pleasures. Our suicide rates, crime and drug culture would necessarily reduce and as such we will witness a corresponding economic renaissance.



Oh dear. And this:

the content of the education curriculum would shift to a classical education. Both new age fashions and formal rote learning would be scrapped, in favour of an environment where children are able to relive the great discoveries of the past, in their own minds, as if they were their own, and thus learn how to think, instead of what to think. Recapturing the excitement of the discoveries of the past, will inspire our youth to make the great discoveries of the future. It is the most profound investment our nation can make.

Huh? And my personal favourite:

POLICY STATEMENT ON FORESTRY IN TASMANIA

The Citizens Electoral Council (CEC) supports a strong forestry and wood products industry for Tasmania. It contributes over $1 billion each year to the Tasmania economy, employs 5% of the Tasmanian workforce and supplies the necessary building materials we all use.

The CEC will work to expose greenie frauds that threaten our jobs and living standards. Contrary to common propaganda, Tasmanian forests are not under massive threat. Forest covers 3.3 million ha of Tasmania, which is nearly half of the total 6.78 million ha of the State. Nearly one million hectares of Tasmanian old-growth forests are protected from logging and less than 3% of old-growth forest will be logged over the next ten years.

The lies concerning our forestry industry are ridiculous and a complicit media insists on treating us like mushrooms. One classic example occurred in 1996 when Prince Philip's eco-fascist World Wide Fund for Nature (WWF) claimed 50,000 species were now becoming extinct each year due to human activity and that the main cause of species extinction was "commercial logging". Newspapers around the world reported this without asking any hard questions. Following several challenges, the WWF has not been able to provide even one Latin name of a species driven to extinction by the forestry industry. This is because, to the best of our knowledge, not a single species has ever been driven to extinction by the forestry industry in Australia and this is possibly true for the entire world.

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That's why I didn't want to get entangled in a "debate" with Howard. I can't take those policies seriously. A classical education" Anti-dote to the sixties? Greenie frauds?

No thanks.

Comment by Morgan Bell

April 21st 2008 07:06
hmmm those are some very strange policies . . . sounds a bit like the town in Footloose banning rock'n'roll music and dancing haha

i live in tasmania and if anyone glosses over facts it is the forestry industry, i find their widespread chemical spraying and baiting even more concerning than their obsession with logging old growth trees (why log any old growth, even 3%, why?)

i saw the CEC on the ballot this last election but i didnt know what they were all about, thanks for the info!

Comment by Winston

April 21st 2008 13:06
Ruby,

Ditto what Cibb said.

Comment by Cheryl J

April 21st 2008 13:40
Oh goodness. I don't think there is any need for any kind of personal attack on blogging sites. If you don't agree with someone, state your facts or opinions and respect others'. If you think the other person is full of shit then state why, ask for clarification or move on. I'm pretty new on here but after reading through a number of people's posts I've seen some pretty nasty comments. It's just not necessary.

Not everyone is always going to be in agreement. I think you are right, in some cases it's damned if you do or damned if you don't. The posts of yours that I've read have always seemed interesting and well thought out. And it's hard not to retaliate on a personal attack. I say just walk away.

By the way that information you've provided above made me shudder. why don't that have a good ol' book burning while they're at it. I'm all for teaching the classics when it comes to all forms of art as long as it is part of a broader curriculum learning the modern arts as well. They might not like them but that should be down to freedom of choice, something that policy document wants to stamp out. Art and beauty is subjective and in the eye of the beholder and I can be moved by something as classic as a Renoir painting or a YoYo Ma Cello performance as I can with a Frida Kahlo painting and The Beatles.

Without being in full possession of the facts the excerpts you have printed above show an extreme closed mindedness. And Morgan is right, it is not so much the logging of the old growth forest that is the issue, it is the chemical spraying and baiting that should have people asking questions.

Comment by RubySoho

April 21st 2008 14:15
Hi Winston,

I guess I just want to maintain some level of self awareness. If I am blind to reality, ignorant, rude etc, I want to know it. So I guess when I read that description of me I needed to know if other people saw me that way and if that was the case, then I needed to do some re-assessing. Does this make sense, or am I rambling?

Hi Cheryl, yeah things can get pretty heated around here and I have no problem with passionate arguments but that comment about me was apropro of nothing.

Yeah that whole anti-sixties counter culture is something else. I really didn't want to diss Howard's beliefs, but I don't like them and was happy to end the discussion there, but it was not to be.

Thanks for your compliments on my comments. I do get pretty passionate sometimes but apart from my address to the nutter above, I have managed to refrain attacking someone's character as oppossed to their arguments and beliefs.

Comment by Morgan Bell

April 21st 2008 14:45
cheryl no you cant even have a renoir, how dare you! thats damn modern impressionism! you can only look at old church frescos and stained glass haha

maybe the mona lisa if youre lucky! perhaps the statue of david if you promise not to look at his penis!

i like how blue poles is the epitome of all evil . . . i like how they call it psychotic! what an expressive term for an expressionist painting! haha

im so amused . . .

like seriously, how bloodthirsty is classical art and literature?

Comment by Winston

April 21st 2008 19:54
Hi Ruby. Depending on whom you ask, that description may be completely accurate. Others will not find a shred of credence to it. It all depends on what brush you're being painted with, and by whom. The blogger in question (whose comments riled you up) disagrees with everything you believe, and is indignant that you've had the temerity not to concede every point to her. You, by allowing yourself to be goaded by her rather than leaving her to shout into the wind, feed the situation. At this point, she's not even contesting your views any more, she's contesting you. She's been allowed to shift the conflict from your viewpoints to yourself. There is nothing you can do to change this. Honest debate requires two willing participants. Unless you can both agree to return to that mode of discourse, there is nothing to be gained from engaging her at all. Sometimes I watch your exchanges with that individual and wonder why you don't simply run your head into a brick wall a couple times. The outcome will be the same, and it will be quicker.

For myself, I generally agree with you on most issues. The ones where we disagree, I either engage you in respectful conversation or I choose not to get into it. It should be that simple for everyone, ideally, but we all get hot-headed sometimes. I've had a couple battles myself, and it's taught me the sheer folly of allowing them to progress. I think the one thing you can take from all of this is knowing when to walk away, and knowing when it is simply no longer worth it to engage those who simply want to proclaim, not converse.


Comment by Hazel Castillo

April 21st 2008 20:14
the more you respond and get back at them, the more you feed their hunger ... and that's how they live - by insulting or just trying to annoy whoever they point their hands to. Unfortunately it was you

SO just like what everyone has already said, ignore. that way, they die of hunger!

Comment by D. Armenta

April 23rd 2008 01:01
Where's Damo? Ask Damo about these two! Or me, for that matter. we've been jousting with these clowns forever..Check this out!

Me, I think it's pretty funny. They just keep digging themselves in deeper with every word they post....

Comment by RubySoho

April 23rd 2008 01:08
Damo has it in for me because I don't like religion. But yeah, I've seen both yours and Damo's exchanges with the female nutter. I've never come across Howard before, I find his views to be on the paranoid side but basically harmless. LaRouche cracks me up.

Comment by D. Armenta

April 23rd 2008 01:17
You think? Damo and I disagree on a lot of points, but he's never been anything but totally cool..he;s a good guy. Give him another chance.

Howard is one of B.S. Brandish's toadies. He'll pop up with an inane comment every now and then, but he mostly avoids or ignores my responses to him after the first salvo...

Comment by RubySoho

April 23rd 2008 01:32
I just read THAT exchange with Bradish. Wow, makes my run-ins with her seem like a friendly chat. The problem D, is that it is virtually impossible not to lose you temper with her and I have learned that the hard way. She just twists everything.

You know what i find interesting? your confrontations had you questioning yourself afterwards. And the same again with me. Do you thinks she ever questions herself? Do you think she ever asks herself if she has gone too far, if she was out of line, if she should perhaps apologise or that the very least re-think her approach? Of course, I can't be privy to what goes on in her head, but the fact she manages to get herself embroiled in these heated exchanges time and time again, leads me to think perhaps not.

I have nothing against Damo, and I'm not going to badmouth him here but I am entitled to my opinions and he seems to think that my opinions on Christianity make me a hate monger. That's his opinion and he is welcome to it. If you want to see Damo and Bradish agree on something go here: Really Long Link

Damo and I start to clash here:
Really Long Link

Comment by D. Armenta

April 23rd 2008 03:30
Ah--got a lot of catching up to do. Been on the road.

Nahhh, I never questioned myself post-SLB..we've been through battles royales many many times. When I posted that, I had just learned that she was a "mentor" on Orble, so I wanted to disseminate her unique --er--style to any potential "students". Many people misconstrued that as a bid for sympathy..sometimes I don't make myself very clear.

Oh well, I appreciated the very kind support from fellow Orblers, and managed to get the word out that she's a loony-tunes!

Comment by RubySoho

April 23rd 2008 12:43
Oh I didn't think your post was a bid for sympathy. I question myself only in that I hope people don't see me as been just as bad as she is. If there is a general or even semi-general consensus that I am out of line, I want to know it!

How on earth does she mentor anyone? That's just insanity.

Comment by D. Armenta

April 23rd 2008 18:00
Well, I've just slogged my way through that Christian/abortion post.

Maybe I'll write my own post about that post. First I need some answers, though.

I'd respectfully suggest you take a break, Ruby. The insidious thing about Orble is that it gradually turns into a microcosm for some of its bloggers. I was very sensitive awhile back about what I took to be Yank-bashing and generalising..a couple months on the road put it all back into perspective for me.

The truth is, there are some absolutely delightful, intelligent and kindhearted people here..

and there are some real assholes, too.

I keep coming back because the cool people outnumber the assholes by at least 20 to 1...those are way better odds than most other places.

Comment by RubySoho

April 24th 2008 05:39
Why do you think I need to take a break?

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