RubySoho
Winston
My Apologies!
April 3rd 2008 03:15
Lest anyone think that I would fabricate information, have a hidden agenda, lie, use unreliable sources, and peruse Orble simply as a platform to espouse my own bigotry and hatred towards pick one:
Muslims, Christians, Buddhists, Hindu’s, Catholics, Blacks, Whites, Yellows etc,
I would like to clarify that all the quotes and FACTS in my previous post Holy Cow! Is That A Man Or A Bull?
were from BBC News:
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See, when I read an interesting article, I like to share it and comment on it.
And yes, I am critical of the Catholic Church. Is that allowed? Or are religious institutions outside the scope of public criticism? When Bush rallies against stem cell research, he gets criticised, so why should the Church be allowed a free pass?
We don't call criticism of the Bush Administration vitriol aimed at all Americans.
We don't call criticism of Sadat vitriol aimed at all Arabs.
We don't label criticism of Hu Jintao bigotry against all Chinese.
No, we freely and rightly criticise these regimes in the interests of free speech and social progress.
So why should religion get special treatment?
Can anyone tell me? Because I would really like to know.
Muslims, Christians, Buddhists, Hindu’s, Catholics, Blacks, Whites, Yellows etc,
I would like to clarify that all the quotes and FACTS in my previous post Holy Cow! Is That A Man Or A Bull?
were from BBC News:
Really Long Link
Really Long Link
See, when I read an interesting article, I like to share it and comment on it.
And yes, I am critical of the Catholic Church. Is that allowed? Or are religious institutions outside the scope of public criticism? When Bush rallies against stem cell research, he gets criticised, so why should the Church be allowed a free pass?
We don't call criticism of the Bush Administration vitriol aimed at all Americans.
We don't call criticism of Sadat vitriol aimed at all Arabs.
We don't label criticism of Hu Jintao bigotry against all Chinese.
No, we freely and rightly criticise these regimes in the interests of free speech and social progress.
So why should religion get special treatment?
Can anyone tell me? Because I would really like to know.
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Comment by Anonymous
Read the bible Ruby and maybe you'll understand. Oh that's right, it's more than a page long maybe you'll need the Cliff notes version.
Comment by RubySoho
Music Zone
Thought Zone
It is precisely because I have read the Bible, that I criticise it.
But thanks for your comments and thanks for being a good Christian and insulting me!
Comment by samaritan
Fringe Faith
Samaritan's Stories
I think not only should the Catholic Church be allowed to be criticised, but it should be criticised. So should all churches. Coming at this from solely a Christian perspective, I believe that it is through criticism that we help make the church a better church.
Imagine if we decided we could no longer say that our kids were doing anything wrong. Would they learn? No. Would they become better people? No. It is by pointing our their errors, that they learn and grow and change into better people.
Churches are basically the face of Jesus and they claim to have a very important message - and I just happen to believe that's true. So they should be subject to even more criticism than other organisations. Religions should NOT get special treatment. Jesus criticised the religious organisations of his day. We should not be afraid to do the same.
-Samaritan
www.fringefaith.com
Comment by RubySoho
Music Zone
Thought Zone
Firstly, let me just say that I have no problems with people criticisng me, I do, however, object to pointless insults that tell me I am too stupid to understand or even read the Bible. What does that achieve? People need to get over this mindset that anyone who disagrees with them is an idiot or ignorant or bigoted or all three. It is not always the case.
Secondly, I think it is important that we keep in mind that criticism is vital to the progress of any society.
Let's not forget that once upon a time both the Church and Reformed Christians used the Bible to justify slave ownership. A small group of Christians worked with other abolitionists to overcome this mindset and free the slaves in America.
Religion still plays a major role in most societies around the world and as such should be prepared to attract criticism from society. I am not saying that religion be totally marginalised, but it should be made to accept that as it is free to criticise, so it should in turn expect to be criticised.
It has to work both ways.
Comment by Winston
Small Thoughts on Big Questions
The best bet is to keep pushing forward, I guess, rationally but firmly making valid points and hoping that people are able to separate themselves from their religion enough to consider reasoned arguments without flying off the handle. Theists like Samaritan, who are able to have a reasonable dialog and acknowledge some basic points without feeling threatened, are pretty common, but not common enough.
Religions should NOT get special treatment. Jesus criticised the religious organisations of his day. We should not be afraid to do the same.
Right on, Samaritan. The same goes for every idea or institution that wields power and is potentially flawed. That's pretty much everything
Comment by RubySoho
Music Zone
Thought Zone
You are right but I have been accused of "anti-religious vitriol" and hatred for making the following statement:
"There exists a separation of Church and State and I wish to see that upheld'.
Say what? And now it seems every time I mention religion then I am just espousing my own bigotry and hatred.
Oh, but of course, he didn't mention any names. Far be it from him to actually attack someone directly. Best go via the back door, don't want to destroy the illusion of the Voice of Reason.
Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain!