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Nooooooooo! Poor Hillary. Imagine how gutted she must be right now.

I'm glad the thing is over but I actually feel quite sad for her.

She probably has not conceded yet so they have time to discuss being running mates?

Dunno.

But I do think she deserves some massive respect for dealing with all the shit that was thrown her way.

Comment by Jeff Musall

June 5th 2008 00:58

Oh No!!! Actually, I feel like Ruby...glad it's over, but a little sad for her. Although I didn't like alot of her campaign tactics, I think that ultimately she would have been a better president than her husband was. Bad timing, Hillary! She is probably second guessing her decision not
run in 2004. She would have been a hell of alot better than Kerry! I think she is probably shocked a little too. I'm sure she felt it would be hers. She would easily get the nom, and trounce Bush. Then a phenomena called Barack Obama came along. Whatever happens, I think Bill has an ass kickin' comin'

Comment by RubySoho

June 5th 2008 01:18

She would easily get the nom, and trounce Bush.

I take it you mean McCain?

It's okay, I can barely tell the difference either.

Comment by Jeff Musall

June 5th 2008 01:52

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Damn! ya got me...one term I heard getting tossed around for McCain is "grampy McSame"

Comment by Morgan Bell

June 5th 2008 06:43

well she can always run again in the future even if she is Vice President this time cant she?

Comment by RubySoho

June 5th 2008 06:57

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Well if Obama loses then she will most likely get a shot in 2012 but if Obama wins he will go for reelection in four years which means she won't get a shot until 2016 but she'll be almost 70.

This was it for her I think.

I'm still feeling sad.

On a cheerier note have you checked out Dum Dum's latest comments? The Grand Inquisitor....sorry Winston, I know this is your post but I have been lazy this week and have not posted anything since monday and am using your comments section as a gossip chatroom....

Comment by Morgan Bell

June 5th 2008 08:47

is that the new pet name? dum dum? haha
reminds me of denise drysdale, the old double D

hey John McCain is 71 isnt he?
i think Hillary still has a bit of steam in her yet - women live longer than men!

Comment by Winston

June 5th 2008 15:31

Small Thoughts on Big Questions

Hi Ruby and Jeff. Call me heartless, but I don't really feel bad for her at all. I'm not a big fan of Hilary in particular, or of the Clintons in general.

I am relieved to see that she has now decided to end her presidential campaign this week. For a moment there I thought they'd have her challenging Obama to a fight in January during his inauguration.

Comment by Winston

June 5th 2008 15:33

Small Thoughts on Big Questions

Hi Morgan. I tend to think that Ruby is right, and that this was Hilary's last best shot at the Oval Office. Probably why she clung so hard to the last threads that continued to slip from her fingers.

Comment by Winston

June 5th 2008 15:34

Small Thoughts on Big Questions

Ruby, go ahead and gossip away. This post took about 2 minutes to put up, so it's not as if I have lot invested in discussing its various intricacies

Comment by Ahmed

June 5th 2008 15:40

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She can't be bargained with. She can't be reasoned with.

that pretty much sums up women

Comment by Morgan Bell

June 5th 2008 15:42

oh Winston if you want some entertaining gossip you should check out the rudeness in the comments of this post: CLICKHERE

i saw Hillary and Obama praising each other today, saying how wonderful they thought each other was . . . i think she will definately run as his vice

plus have you heard people saying they expect him to be assassinated if he wins? terrible i know, but if the right really are that crazy then second in line could be an important position (it makes me sick to think about it, it goes against the whole idea of democracy and freedom)

Comment by RubySoho

June 5th 2008 15:44

Heartless Winston, heartless.

Comment by Ahmed

June 5th 2008 15:52

i think she will definately run as his vice

He's already turned her down.

There is no way he will, the nice talk they make about each other is only normal of politicians.

Comment by RubySoho

June 5th 2008 15:54

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I think he will go with Edwards to get the white working class vote.

Comment by Morgan Bell

June 5th 2008 15:59

really? (Ahmed)
really??? (Ruby)

i believe you both, im just astounded, i think she proved herself popular if nothing else, seems like a waste of potential votes to turn her down . . . oh well

i know its strange of me to be influenced by something S.L. said but do you think McCain holds more clout that we Australians could possibly understand because people respect his military history?

Comment by Ahmed

June 5th 2008 16:01

I think he will go with Edwards to get the white working class vote.

He also said he wouldn't run with Edwards -_-

Comment by Ahmed

June 5th 2008 16:04

McCain is going to lose, it is not a matter of if, it's a matter of when the damn elections are held.

It's like how poeple worried about Howard winning again against Rudd and he lost, people just aren't going to vote for another grumpy old man.

Comment by RubySoho

June 5th 2008 16:19

Has he really said no to both of them Ahmed? Who else is there? Michelle? haha

Morgan you do have a point about McCain and the miltary.

But then John Kerry was also in the military and Bush was one of those rich kids who got out of serving but somehow Fox News managed to twist it all around to make Bush the war hero.

Comment by Ahmed

June 5th 2008 16:24

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Has he really said no to both of them Ahmed? Who else is there? Michelle? haha

He ruled out everyone who was running for the candidacy early on, well it was either everyone or the last bunch, I can't remember. Either way he did effectively say he wasn't taking either Hillary or Edwards as VP.

Comment by Morgan Bell

June 5th 2008 16:27

Ruby, i wonder if any normal person was subjected to Fox News constantly they would be conditioned to have a really harsh right-wing outlook on life?

Ahmed, i remember everyone being so certain Howard would lose in 2004 and they underestimated him . . . some of my lefty friends cried when he won, they were so so certain it wouldnt happen

Comment by RubySoho

June 5th 2008 16:33

I was too angry to cry in 2004. I was never so ashamed of my country as i was when Howard won that election.

I don't know Morgan, I think you have to be predisposed to a certain way of thinking to buy that bullshit.

unless they get you when you are young.

Comment by Ahmed

June 5th 2008 16:52

I'm not emotional enough to cry over something like that *but* take a look at the rest of planet earth, there is no longer a 'coaltion of the willing' left and the reason for that is elections in every country have already happened, those governments have been long since been voted out.

The Only reason a warmongerer is still president in the US is because the elections are yet to happen over there.

Comment by Jeff Musall

June 6th 2008 03:35

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I don't know whether Hillary will end up on the ticket or not...I guess it's wait and see time on that....I can understand how you all in Australia felt when Howard won. I very much was there in 2000 when the coup that put Bush into the White House happened. It was less in 2004, but I still felt it. As to what SL said about McCain having a big well of support because of his military service....I will call that what it is, a lie. The undercurrent of support that is hard to measure will vote McCain because of fear, racism, and self-righteous self-gratification. That ugly underbelly of conservative support will vote for all of the ugly reasons. I'm not saying everyone voting for McCain is in that group - don't get me wrong. But a hell of alot of them are.

Comment by Morgan Bell

June 6th 2008 08:20

hey Jeff,
to be fair i was paraphrasing the overall conversation

S.L. actually said:

in case you hadn't heard, John McCain has two sons in the military. One in Iraq. Pres. Bush would have gone to Viet Nam if he'd been sent there. At least he didn't lead protests abroad like Clinton did! He wore the uniform and flew a jet.

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in the context of members of her own family being in the military and the value of patriotism etc
i was just interpretting those statements and pondering how influential a military background is for a politician in america

but im interested in your opinion . . . do you think that people who own guns and have family in the military would be more likely to give McCain default support?

Comment by Jeff Musall

June 7th 2008 05:21